Odds are good that by now, you've all seen the sign my 12 year old was made to hold on the corner of Glenway and Ferguson yesterday. The camp appears to be split evenly down the middle as to whether or not this was an appropriate means of discipline. While I've enjoyed reading the comments, I feel it necessary to make a statement about just that; thank you all for your encouragement and support, and to those who think I'm a terrible mother, thank you for your honesty and willingness to take a stand for your convictions. The world needs more parents like ALL of us quite honestly. I meet entirely too many wishy washy parents who do not ever take a stand and don't have any convictions whatsoever.
But at the end of the day, what it comes down to is this - I neither desire nor require your approval. While I'm certainly not a perfect parent by any means, I am well equipped to the task at hand. I do not abuse my children, hit my children, lock them in closets or leave them in hot cars, I've never withheld food from them and my children are not obese either b/c I feed their emotions. My children are educated young people, who regularly test out at the top of their class. They are well liked by their friends, explore creative outlets like violin, art, and the craft of story writing. They are physically active and contribute to the community by feeding the homeless during the winter. They regularly participate in activities at our house of worship. They also have a schedule for each day that they must follow, beginning with getting themselves out of bed at a set time. There is a scheduled reading time, music practice time; they must do chores that are listed and distributed on a rotating basis. If chores are done incorrectly, they get done again, and said child looses a privilege. There are rules for our home as well - among are no hitting, no screaming, no lying, be respectful to mom and dad as well as one another, and so forth. My husband is a Marine. If you don't know what that means, you can't possibly understand our method. I'm a former Sergeant. Both of us are Christ followers, and are striving to raise our children with Christian principles. We don't allow our children to "follow an alternate path" to enlightenment. When they're adults, they can make that choice for themselves. For now, that decision is ours to make and bear responsibility for.
To that end, I'd like to make a couple other comments, since my faith and Christianity were brought into question in another blog.
For those of you who believe that Jesus was this gentle pacifist, you need to actually read the book again. Jesus was such a threat to the way of life that the political leaders had Him murdered. They set Him up, and they slaughtered Him for standing the TRUTH. Jesus was no pacifist. While He was all forgiving, He did correct people. . .frequently in front of large crowds. This is the same Man who chastised His own disciples, "What is your problem??? Don't you have any faith?" when they woke Him during a storm. He didn't hesitate to call the Pharisees a bunch of names either, or toss some tables in the temple. Jesus abhorred sin, people. He wasn't mealy mouthed about it at all. He hated sin. But He loved people, and so He taught them to not sin, He challenged them in their ways, and He loved them into salvation. The very plan of salvation itself means we own up to and take responsibility for our sin, admit we are unworthy on our own, and ask Jesus to make us worthy.
Likewise, when my daughter choose to repeatedly commit the same sin (and yes, it's sin) we had to do something. We'd exhibited grace to her time and again, we'd tried other methods, and finally the day came when she had to come face to face with her choices. She didn't like what that looked like, and the hope is that she was embarrassed enough that she won't soon make this poor choice again. But if she does, we'll be there to correct and steer her back to a place of challenge, where she will get to decide whether the humiliation of public shame outweighs her own selfish intent.
To address another comment made by this other mother, I was not proud of my daughter. I didn't offer any information to anyone with any sort of "pride." I was deeply ashamed of my child, because her poor choices reflect upon me, as a parent. Her inability to choose better than outright lying means that somewhere along the way I didn't train her properly. There was no pride in me at all as I also took a public stand with my child in her sin. But that's what parents do; we stand with our children. We're on their side. Even if they're wrong, we're on their side. I'm still on her side, and I'll still stand with her through all of her choices, good and bad. Because she's my daughter and I love her.
In the end, my stance is this; I did what was necessary and best for her. Period. None of us like seeing our children hurting. Getting shots sucks, but it's often a necessary pain. Discipline sucks sometimes, but it is a necessary pain for both child and parent. I won't apologize for my actions, but I invite any friends who actually know me to come to my door, have a cup of tea, and let's have a talk if you think I'm an abusive parent.
Otherwise - shut- your- hole. Pay attention to your own children and leave mine to me.
Thanks Holli. Just got finished with my own disciplinary activity. And not to fear my son still loves his dad. Just hoping he learned something.
ReplyDeleteDear "anonymous" Posters,
ReplyDeleteScaredy cats need not leave drive by comments. Either man up and comment publicly or shut up.
Name-calling now? How childish.
DeleteI guess you felt threatened by well-informed "anonymous" posters that you felt the need to tell people to shut up and delete all their posts? Could it be that you know what you did to your child was wrong and you're feeling a little embarrassed yourself? I hope you do feel bad about your actions. And I hope you do apologize to your daughter for your poor behaviour. She deserves it. I can't really think of any lie a child commits that warrants public humiliation at the hands of their parents.
ReplyDeleteIt boggles my mind that someone would WANT to humiliate their children. It looked like you were searching for a reason to publicly hurt your child when you found that viral picture of bad parenting. Hopefully your daughter won't think bullying/humiliating others is okay if you don't like their behaviour. Making a child hold a sign in public is NOT going to teach them why lying is bad. It'll just teach them that mommy will make sure to hurt them to the best of her abilities, and maybe it'll help them further develop their skill of lying. Copying something from the Internet is also a far cry from being creative. I would also abstain from boasting about all the "creative" ways I hurt/humiliate my children anyway.
Jesus would have never publicly humiliated a CHILD.
Jenny - no I deleted the anonymous posting b/c I tend to believe if you have something to say, have the guts to say it publicly, or don't say anything at all.
DeleteI don't believe that what I did was wrong, and I'm not embarrassed by what I did. I don't feel bad at all. SHE made a poor choice; there was a clearly outlined consequence for this persistent poor behavior, and she choose to continue to do it anyway. It's my responsibility as her mother to shape her, to change her bad behaviors, to raise her up to be a young woman of integrity, honesty, and character. And "liar" is none of those things.
Unless you've walked in our shoes, you have no idea what effort we've put into changing this behavior. She wasn't bullied, and while she was shamed, she is still a confident, well adjusted young lady. Her response to people's reactions? She wonders what everyone's problem is. Her comment is that discipline isn't supposed to feel good, that's why it's called discipline.
My husband and I are not the kind of parents who pry Johnny's jaws off our hands and sit him down and beg him to please tell us why he finds it necessary to bite. We are the kind of parents who would immediately and with strong conviction get right in his face and explain to him, "YOU DO NOT BITE!!"
I am not supposed to be her friend. I'm her parent. I don't care if she likes me but I do care if she ends up in legal trouble, becomes a shoplifter, lies to her teachers, her doctor, or ends up knocked up at 13. So I will do what is necessary to make sure that her choices and attitudes are adjusted as quickly as possibly.
As far as Jesus publicly humiliating a "child?" The rich younger ruler is believed by biblical scholars to be a young man of about 17. Technically a child in our world. So, yeah. . .I guess Jesus did humiliate children from to time when their eternal life depended on it.
Since you decided to delete my comment simply because I posted anonymously, here it is again. You seem arrogant and narcissistic. If you hadn't SAID you are a Christian, no one would know it. You need to focus more on how your own actions reflect upon yourself. It's clear you were only using this whole situation for validation, attention, and to ruffle some feathers. Mission accomplished. No child deserves public humiliation, no matter the parenting style. Part of being a Christian would be admitting when you might be wrong and did something unGodly. Part of being a Christian is putting aside your pride and practicing humility. I agree with the previous poster - Jesus never would have publicly humiliated a child.
ReplyDeleteActually Ray, people who DO know me, have no question about my faith or the way I walk it out. But then, they KNOW me. . .not just have heard about me through some random post somewhere.
DeleteI was far from validated, and was deeply ashamed of my daughter's poor choices. Part of being a Christian is about admitting when you are wrong, but part of being a Christ follower is also knowing when to stand up for your beliefs and not backing down b/c the "crowd" demands you do so. Jesus didn't.
And as far as her being a child - yes technically she's a child. But she's also old enough to know better than to lie, denoting a maturity you don't find in 5, 6, or 7 year olds. When you consider the mother of Christ was only about a year older than my daughter, it sort of puts "child" into a new perspective. As a 12 year old, almost 13 year old, she was aware of the consequence for this continued behavior, and she made a choice to do it anyway.
And I deleted your anonymous posting b/c I figured you should have enough guts to post it publicly.
The way she punished her child shows that she is willing to sacrifice the way people see her so she can be a good parent. Ive met her and have absloutly no doubt of her faith. And if she did care about what her or her childs image would be after the sign, she would be a worst parent than she is. She dosnt care about what people think about her. Thats why people should respect her for this.
DeleteI have watched this entire event fold out every step of the way and can say I am nothing short of shocked by the people who are so angry over this. I am a mother of 3, my oldest is 15, youngest 6 months. I was just shy of 16 when I became a mom and so I have spent half of my life as a parent and nothing compares to the challenge it is to raise children. I would not give my oldest back for the world, the challenges I have overcome and the person I am can easily be attributed to being blessed with him, but as an adult who is now married with two more boys doing it all the "right way" I can say that had I had a mom who loved me as much as Holli does her children, who isn't afraid to make them accountable for the their choices, my life would have likely been a lot easier.
ReplyDeleteAs a kid I don't know how many times I had to miss recess, and what was the consequence? Standing outside on the wall for all of the other kids to see. And guess what, that still is the consequence. If you are arrested, you have to stand in front of a judge and jury of your peers, so holding a sign showing the world what she did wrong, to me is no different. If you know the consequence, but choose to commit the crime, then you should be prepared to pay the price. And in the real world, which is what good parents should be preparing their children for, if you make bad choices, there are consequences and you will be judged, criticized, and will go through much worse. There aren't second chances and bosses and authorities could care less about your feelings. Obviously she wasn't thinking about her parents' feelings when she lied, again. Holli's kids are very loved, they are taken care of, have a wonderful home with two loving parents, and are taught everyday about God and how wonderful his love is.
And I do believe the bible does encourage discipline and like Holli's daughter said it best, "discipline isn't supposed to feel good, that's why it's called discipline"
Proverbs 13:24
Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.
Ephesians 6:2-3
“Honor your father and mother”
Ephesians 6:1
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right.
Proverbs 22:6
Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it.